Redefining Outcomes: Success Stories From LTAP™ Alumni pt.1
We’ve got a special 2-part episode this week on the Unreal Results podcast. In today’s episode, you’ll hear from alumni who have gone through the LTAP™ courses and Revitalize Mentorship program. These professionals include physical therapists, athletic trainers, and massage therapists who share their motivations for joining the LTAP™, their experiences, and the transformations they’ve seen in their practices. They also discuss how integrating the LTAP™ has helped with burnout, improved patient outcomes, and overall redefined their approach to assessment and treatment. If you’ve been on the fence about whether it’s time to transform your practice, this is an episode you’ll want to listen to.
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Anna Hartman: Hey there, and welcome. I'm Anna Hartman, and this is Unreal Results, a podcast where I help you get better outcomes and gain the confidence that you can help anyone, even the most complex cases. Join me as I teach about the influence of the visceral organs and the nervous system on movement, pain, and injuries, all while shifting the paradigm of what whole body assessment and treatment really looks like.
I'm glad you're here. Let's dive in.
Hey, hey, and welcome to the Unreal Results podcast. This week, I've got something special for you. Number one, we're doing two podcasts. So, today, we're doing The podcast drops, that's Wednesday, and then Friday will be part two, and this, these episodes are going to be special too because you're going to be hearing from the, a few of the alumni of the LTAP level one courses and, or the Revitalize Mentorship.
I invited these practitioners, professionals to come and chat and share their experiences with us. Sort of looking back on why they decided to enroll in the LTAP Level 1, like what problems that they were having with, that they were hoping to find solutions for, or what inspired them to learn in this new lens of view.
And then what's happening now, now that they're implementing it into their practice, they're What kind of results are they're seeing with their patients? What, are their patients saying, especially the ones that have been with them for a while, you know, um, just overall sort of wanting to hear like how learning in this new paradigm working with the LTAP, how it has helped their practice, helped their, you know, whatever it was.
Like some of them will be talking about how they were burnt out at work and like kind of bored. And some of them will talk about how they felt like. They were treating the whole body, but maybe they weren't considering the viscera and the nervous system other ones will say that they Had considered the nervous system and the viscera maybe learned from some other people but didn't really know how to assimilate it into a more biomechanical orthopedic practice And sort of relate it back to the big picture It's going to be professionals that are in all different fields.
So you'll hear from some physical therapists, athletic trainers, um, massage therapists, movement practitioners. You'll hear from some practitioners that are working only in person hands on. And then you'll hear from some practitioners who actually utilize this in the virtual space. So it should give you a great idea of sort of like what it looks like in practice and the types of clients people work from or anywhere from, you know, athletes, youth athletes, collegiate, professional athletes to
regular people, don't work at a desk, active aging population, the weekend warrior, scoliosis, spinal cord injury, neurologic patients. Like literally the spectrum of ages and vocations and like focuses. And so, um, I thought it would be special to hear from somebody other than me. Um, I also wanted to say too, uh, before we dive in, one of the things that often comes up, especially, um, When I teach the missing link or the results cheat code that just ended this past week, a lot of people are coming in for the first time into this ecosystem.
Maybe they haven't followed me for a while. Maybe they have, but like, it's their first sort of like go through this new lens of view. And I always warn everyone at the beginning, like get ready, like buckle your seatbelts because we're going for a ride. We're going on an adventure that's going to sort of challenge some deeply held beliefs that you have about how the body works and challenge how you go about working with your clients.
And Whether you're ready for it or not, I can, I warn people all the time and they're still sort of not ready for the sort of dissonance and the like the mind fuck, to be honest, that it is entering into this new paradigm because actually as one of my alumni just said on the interview with her today is like once you see it, you can't unsee it.
This is like once you're in, you're in. And there's no going backwards. Once you see this paradigm, once you really truly look at the whole organism in front of you instead of just the biomechanics, just the body, it's like, Oh, we're doing this. And sometimes when that happens, people can feel really overwhelmed with the new information.
Now, number one. The way I've created the courses actually, believe it or not, are trying to minimize the amount of overwhelm and minimize the dissonance involved with adopting a completely new paradigm. This is why I'm very big on practical application. And taking action and just doing it, learning the techniques and going through it and implementing it with your people so you can see it for yourself.
Because the whole purpose is I'm teaching you techniques in order to understand some new principles about how the body works. Then once you understand those principles, not only can you make up your own new techniques, but now you're at a better place in your head where you can Learn the deeper like, well, why, why did that happen?
How is this connected? Then we get to really dive into the anatomy. And if I just started out with anatomy and just started out with a theory, it would be like even more overwhelming because when we start out with a lot of thinking, whenever we engage our very cognitive thinking brain, it can also sort of.
paralyze us and, and, and support inaction because it, it feels like so much information, not sure how to compute it. And so we get in this analysis paralysis type mode. And then we feel like, Oh, in order to proceed, we have to understand it better. And I'm here to tell you that you don't. And it may feel this, not even me, this, a new paradigm feels very overwhelming.
and very scary at times and because it sort of doesn't force you to change your treatment techniques, but change your treatment strategy. And whether you are aware of your strategy to begin with or not, it forces you to do things in a different operating. system than you're used to and that feels scary and it can make you feel nervous in front of your patients and nervous just like figuring it out and like, you know, bumbling over things, but also know that it's okay because you're not alone.
Everyone goes through this little bit of a learning curve. You don't have to be nervous and scared about it too much because that's where I come in. I've, I've helped over the last few years, over 400 practitioners go through this course and implement the work and make it make sense and not so scary and not so hard and not with such a high barrier of cognitive dissonance.
So I'm here to support you. It's not like a traditional continuing education course where you go to a class and you interact with the teacher during the class and then once the class is done you never talk to them again. That's not how I work. Relationships are a core value of mine. Mentoring people and sharing information.
And making people better is a core value of mine. And so once you're in the courses, you're in the courses. Once you're in our alumni education group, you're in it. And I am there to support you and like meet you wherever you are at. So yeah, I could talk a long time about this whole thing, but hopefully to hearing from these alumni will help to.
Um, make it feel a little bit more, well, not more, a little bit less scary and get you very excited about being able to help your patients faster and get great results because that's what it's all about. So I hope you enjoy it. Without further ado, let's jump in.
I wanted to give everyone a chance to hear from you how you utilize the LTAP, how it's affected your practice, and I, and one of the requests I have in terms of you all sharing is if you can think back to what, um, like problems you had when you found me originally, right? Like, what were you hoping I could help you with?
How you utilize it in your practice now, um, and anything else you want to share.
Julie Arriola: Oh, I'm Julie. I'm, um, a massage therapist. I work in, um, I'm in Southern California. Uh, North County Coastal. All right. What was your question? Um, I wrote them down. Oh, I love it. You're so good. Otherwise, I'll forget. Um, What problem was I hoping Anna could help me with, um, when I first, when I first started working with you?
So I joined the mentorship in 2021. Um, and I would say initially the first thing that really stood out to me on your website was, um, practitioner burnout. Um, I was, yeah, I was really feeling that as far as like, even just looking into doing something different entirely on my profession. And so that was, that was definitely a big piece of what attracted me, um, to you and to the movement rev mentorship.
But then as I got into all of the, the, the modules, the learning, and then, um, eventually the mastermind, which was really, um, super beneficial to me and helped me so much. Cause I wasn't quite grasping like the LTAP and that kind of thing up until that point. So doing it in person. Was I mean, life changing practice, changing everything.
And that has had a huge impact on my life. I happen to have ACL tear, like right in the beginning of the mentorship. So having Anna help me, um, she worked on my knee a bit or worked on, honestly, other things without touching my knee. And that helps so much. And then, um, having the, having that be a focus in the mentorship or in the mastermind as well, it's like super helpful.
Um, so that was really cool to just experience it in my own body
Know like what the LTAP can offer to my own clients, um, and people dealing with. Um, issues like stiffness after surgery or, um, I mean, just pain, pain in general, um, been huge, huge for me.
Anna Hartman: And just to, um, just to clarify for people that might be watching.
So when Julie, so when Julie started the mentorship, I hadn't pulled the LTAP out of the mentorship yet. So it was originally part of the modules inside the mentorship. And then, um, the Mastermind she came to was the sort of test run or the beta run of the LTAP Level 1. So, even though she's saying Mastermind, it's basically the same ish thing as the LTAP Level 1 now.
So, um, just to give you guys, you all some context on that, so. Julie, um, can you, as a massage therapist, um, you know, because obviously I speak to, um, how to use it is from a more clinical standpoint where, and whereas most of my clients have their clothes on and I don't use sheets or draping when I'm doing manual therapy on them.
So, um, can you sort of like that unique setting and, um, how you Even though they haven't learned the LTAP, like, you know, they're familiar that it's five different tests. So kind of, can you sort of, and obviously they're really familiar with the first test. So, so how do you implement it in a normal massage session?
Julie Arriola: So in a normal session to begin with, like close on is when I do the initial assessment. So that's before we even get on the table just to see where to start basically. So, um, let's see.
Anna Hartman: And you use, you do March test or Supine? You do both, kind of.
Julie Arriola: I do, well, I don't typically, no, I don't typically do um, March test at all.
Okay. Um, I do just the Supine test. Supine test.
Anna Hartman: The Supine SI joint mobility locator test, yep. Mm hmm.
Julie Arriola: That's number one. Right?
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Julie Arriola: And, um, and then I, from there I check, check their CNS. So I usually start here and then have them turn over and I, I look at their sacrum. And so if that is positive, then that's where we start.
So if it's positive for CNS tension pattern, then we go ahead and start there. So I'll have them start typically face up. Um, I have been learning more like playing around with, um, like checking out the spine and seeing maybe we should start. Not in the head, you know, um, but that's been kind of something I've been working on lately.
And then if it's not that, then we, then I'll have them turn over again. And we, um, look for the, I do the inhibition tests for the viscera. Um, so I check, check everything there.
I usually use the pulses, but I sometimes use, um, um, I sometimes use like the, like a neck rotation if they're stiff. Yeah, yesterday I actually used a, um, just range of motion test with the shoulder, which was like, cause all her pulses were like pretty much the same.
She has same mobility to the neck. And I'm like, Hmm, like, what can I do? I'm not at like super strong with muscle testing. So I was like, let's check her, her range of motion, her shoulders. Um, one shoulder was significantly tighter than the other one. So that was actually really cool because when I went to her, um, descending colon, it was like, I mean, it went from like temple level or like eyebrow level to like almost all the way back
So she noticed it was just, it was really cool. I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I was really stoked about that. So then we would start, um, so that, with that person I started with a viscera. And then, um, from there I usually do test a second time. So, and I do, I have a table that lowers down so I can lean over.
So I'm not like getting on top of them or they've been undressed and everything. So, you know, after, once we start the treatment, they're already, they're undressed, that kind of thing. So then I'll do the SI joint test again. Um, and I'll check their, their. Their head again, if it's, if it's up, you know, I check their, check their, um, their head and then I'll check their sacrum.
So from face up, I will either grab underneath to feel which way it's, it's, um, pointing or I do the nerve tension tests that I learned at the Barral Institute
for rights, which actually is. This is really cool. So that enabled me to do, to be more clear with a second test without having to have them flip over, which wasn't doing before,
you know, and then if it takes you to the legs and that's really easy, it goes, you know, you just go right to the leg and I would use, um, the pulse again.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. So, and just, to go back to your, um, when you, in your treatment. So when you said you started with visceral stuff, you've not taken any of the actual visceral manipulation, right? So you're just doing general visceral massage, like that they would teach you in massage school, like gentle. Yeah.
Julie Arriola: It's a focused area, like to that area.
Anna Hartman: Yes.
Julie Arriola: So, um, and I think you do a good job in the mentorship of like giving like some hands on skills that can be applied to it. Yeah. You know, just, just, like, getting in there and feeling where the tissue is moving and following it in the direction of ease.
Anna Hartman: Mm hmm.
Julie Arriola: On that kind of thing, um, like I always remember tubes like to be stretched and rotated.
So I kind of do that with something like the colon.
Anna Hartman: Mm hmm.
Julie Arriola: Very effective.
Anna Hartman: And even before you took the neuromanipulation courses with the Brawl Institute, you were using this work and feeling like you got like some good responses from people's cranial stuff. Again, just with the massage tools that you use, that you knew in that area of the cranium and the spine too, yeah?
Julie Arriola: Yeah, because sometimes I wouldn't even test. a second time, or I would just, you know, I would just test and just wants to see where to start and just begin with that. And that made a huge difference. And if it was CNS, it made it very easy to kind of like follow the steps after that. Yeah. Get lucky with that.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Julie Arriola: And so then I could test a second time because I felt a change happen. So I knew it wasn't CNS anymore. So if it, if it still took me above the pelvis and I knew it's viscera using it before I learned more. So, and that's another thing that I love about this, the LTAP in general, is that it really has helped me apply everything that I know.
Like, I, I took um, an ART class, like I think a year or two before I took your mentorship and I was kind of just like, okay great, like I just learned a whole new modality. You know? It wasn't always, like some things I could integrate easily. I just feel like with the LTAP, it's like, Oh, I feel like now I can learn whatever I really am interested in learning or what I feel like would help my clients.
And then, and I have a way to apply it that gives me like a different level of confidence in learning, I guess.
Anna Hartman: Would you say, well, not even what, what would you say? Thank you for all that. I love to hear it. Um, what has the feedback been from your patients? Cause I know, so I see Julie and it's been a really like surreal experience, but I never saw her.
Before she started doing the LTAP training, so I don't know sort of like how she did things before. I'm sure she got great results because it's super hard to get into her. Um, but with that said that I know a lot of your patients or a lot of your clients, um, are people you've seen for many, many years. So integrating this new approach.
What is, what is How's that been for them?
Julie Arriola: Um, well, I think for them it's been like, it's kind of fascinating because they just feel like they don't have to tell me what hurts or they just kind of feel like, well, you'll just figure it out. Um, or, um, I think at least something that I've noticed, I don't know if this has been like really intentional feedback, but I feel like it's been longer, they get longer pain relief than they used to, which I think is.
Or sometimes like things will just like be gone for a while, um, before they kind of come up again,
which is pretty cool. So that's just my, and I don't know, like some people are like, Oh, are you going to still do that nerve stuff on me or whatever, like they'll say that, like keep doing that so that, so they do like it and that's how I kind of hear about it, it's not always like.
I'm not, I'm not always the best at like asking like, but I would say, I mean, I think in learning you kind of, or I should say in applying what you've learned, it's can be a little scary from, you know, from our side as we're like, how are they going to handle this? You know, okay. With like, starting differently or whatever.
Um, I've had people that are, that, um, we're like, Oh, yay. I love to be assessed.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Julie Arriola: And then like, can I ask you like, do a few assessments on you before we start?
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Julie Arriola: So, I think people really enjoy that you take a few extra minutes to
look, to look at things or um, especially in a setting that maybe like massage is not always like an assessment type of setting.
Yeah. So, in a lot of other settings it would be, but not necessarily in massage.
Anna Hartman: For sure. Yeah. Well, thank you for that. I really appreciate it. Um, nice. Anybody want to ask Julie any questions or? Both on the panel are in the zoom. I see someone saying on the, um, Facebook live that the audio is low. Um, it's all set up right on mine.
So I'm not sure why. Um, I'm also recording this. So worst case scenario, if the Facebook recordings terrible, then I'll just, you know, And I also muted the people who were not talking as Julie was talking and hopes that that helped too. So, um, other than that, there's no other comments or questions. So, um, thanks, Julie.
And, um, who of you all would like to go next? Daniela. Okay. Thank you.
Daniela Spear: Hey everyone. I'm Daniela. I'm a massage therapist and restorative movement practitioner, and I'm in Durham, North Carolina, and I primarily work with women that have autoimmune disease. Um, when I. First started working with Anna. I was not a hands on practitioner.
I was strength coach and doing a lot of personal training and helping my clients implement strength training into their healthcare practice. Um, but around that time that I was getting a lot more interested in what Anna was doing. I was also learning a lot, um, from Dr. Perry Nicholson about the lymphatic system.
I was, um, also starting to study a little bit more of Jill Miller's work and the fascia and just had all these pieces about or like how A lot more things were connected than I realized, and it really made me start to ask better questions around, you know, how are things more connected with autoimmune disease, like how are all these, like, more physical pieces connected to the immune system.
And I took the results cheat code primarily just because I thought Anna was really cool, and I really liked a lot of her content, um, she shared a lot about just like visceral connections to the rest of the body, and I I wanted to see if like I could have a better understanding, um, just to better support my clients in their strength training.
Um, but when I took the results sheet code, I was like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. And everything really is connected. And I, Signed up for the LTAP, um, because I wanted to learn more and I wanted to have a better understanding and again, to better support my clients because it just felt like there was more to what I was doing.
I knew that strength training could help in a sense, regulate the nervous system, regulate the immune system. But it just felt like that there was more ways that I could just better support my clients. Um, and especially because with autoimmune disease, like everybody is so different and very individual and unique.
And everyone's experience, even with the same diagnosis, their experience is very unique. Um, so when I took the LTAP, like I really saw how connected everything like truly is. And I know that in the movement space, like we just really focus on. The physical aspect of movement, and, um, I wanted to just. Sort of like start to make those connections around how everything really ties back into the things that we don't really consider as physical, which is like the immune system and like the, the nervous system and people's mindsets and like the emotions that they experience and how our body holds those emotions and those experiences.
So when I took the LTAP, I, that is what prompted me to actually. go to massage school and become a licensed hands on practitioner because I saw that a lot of the work in the LTAP or like the assessments and the treatments, um, could be really helpful. So for the majority of my experience up until very recently, a lot of my experience with the LTAP has been completely hands off and has been the, like, using the March test or having clients.
Have like, you know, do movements or have their own hand for like the inhibition tests. And it is still really cool to see like how the body communicates even when your hands are not on a client. And, uh, that like really motivated me to just like, want to be a better student of the human body. And so I went to massage school and became.
Or I got licensed so that I could and so just recently like this year within the last couple months have I like really been able to try the LTAP like with my hands on my clients and like really learn to like better listen with my hands rather than Like my eyes. So, um, like I feel really lucky because I'm like starting my career as a massage therapist with like this really cool skill set, um, that I think it's like really unique and it's helped me make the make connections of understanding how the body works and I think it's also has helped.
My clients make better connections with their own bodies and their own experience with autoimmune disease because like, I feel like as much as I've done this now, like I shouldn't be surprised, but I still get like really surprised and like giddy for lack of a better word about how like the LTAP does like lead you to where the body wants.
And more often than not, um, especially in like my experiences, like with practicing hands off, um, it leads. Us like myself and my client to like a place where the client recognizes that they Are storing a lot of emotions or storing trauma or like a story about themselves or about their lives And it really helps them have a much better understanding of their experience with autoimmune disease like it it's almost like it and there's been a couple different like cases where like my client really feels like they don't understand why they got autoimmune disease.
But, like, with the LTAP, it has, like, helped them, lead them to a place where it's no longer, like, this is this mysterious thing, but now they're at a place where they can say, it makes sense, and they have a better connection to their body, and it's not, my body's confused, I'm frustrated at my body, and it's more, I'm a lot more understanding of my body.
So like, for me, even if like all the movements or hands off, like treatment that I do doesn't necessarily solve the issue, like in that first session or immediately just for my clients to have that better connection with their body and. Be at a place of, it makes sense. And I, I understand, and they have a bit more compassion with their body and it puts them a little bit more into like parasympathetic and into like, takes them away from that place of frustration and more into a place of, I can see, I can understand this, like that's a huge win.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, I love that. It's been fun. It's been really cool, like, seeing you transition from a hands off to hands on, um, therapist, and I think, you know, like, one of the, one of the most, at least for me, like, one of the big teaching experiences for me in my profession was when I had back surgery and I wasn't able to do physical, like, hands on work with my clients anymore, and it forced me to get, like, so good at movement and so good at observing movement and assessing movement and, like, getting really good on my cues to, like, have the same effect of my manual therapy, and so I just love that. You know, even though you were eager to put your hands on people, like that's going to serve you and your clients, like, and you already know it does, right?
Like being able to do the movement piece too. Um, so I think that's great. Can you, looking back to when you did learn the LTAP. Originally, um, cause you, so you did an online LTAP and then you came to same mastermind Julie did that. We did the LTAP as like the beta version in person LTAP, right?
Daniela Spear: I did the mastermind earlier this year.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Oh, that was your first one. So we had one day of it. Okay. Yeah. Um, how do you feel like. learning it, having that experience in the mastermind more in person than online, like how, even though at that point you were still sort of using it from a movement standpoint, um, like how much did that help you sort of inform even like how you did it in a virtual setting or how you did it, you know, from a movement based standpoint?
Daniela Spear: Yeah, I think doing it in person, like really reaffirmed that I can, like, use this hands on skill set because I remember when we were working with the other practitioners and we went through an LTAP assessment like I just so like out of habit immediately go to like what movement can we use and I it really challenged me to think a little bit bigger and like use like this new skill set of having the ability to be hands on.
Um, and I think at when we were at the mastermind, I was still nervous to use my hands because there's such a new skill. Uh, but it, it did feel, That's like, it is really cool to just like feel how the body moves. Like when you are taking your client, like through the different assessments and like to feel that under your hands, not just with your eyes is a completely different experience, but either way.
You get the same result.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Yeah. Like even had you not gone back to work as a, like new fresh massage therapist, like having that in person experience and getting to like palpate people and like, go over the exact locations of the anatomy and like, just be with a bunch of other people practicing it, like would have informed your.
work had you gone back to what you had already been doing with people, like either virtually or movement only?
Daniela Spear: Yeah. I think like there were times like when I was not a hands on practitioner that I was like worried that because I didn't have a hands on license that I would like miss things or that I was like missing out.
Um, especially with like You know, as practitioners, we get so eager about like, what's the treatment? What's the treatment? Like, I felt like maybe I would miss something, but like having that experience in person and knowing that rather your hands on or hands off, like the LTAP leads you to the same result.
And like, that is, I think the point of the LTAP is that like the assessment is the important part and being in the right part of the body is the important part. So I think that also just like helped. Give me confidence as a practitioner that like, okay, rather I'm hands off or hands on, like I have this skillset that I can trust and it, and that is one thing that you teach us and talk to us a lot about is just trusting and trusting.
Your assessment, trusting your eyes, trusting your hands. And so I think that experience of like, yeah, being able to be hands on and touch helped me feel confident about what I was doing before as a hands off practitioner.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you.
Daniela Spear: Yeah,
Anna Hartman: appreciate that. Um, I don't see any comments or questions necessarily directed at Daniela.
So if anybody has any, please drop them or even Oh, Julie has a question. Julie raised her hand.
Julie Arriola: It's not a question, but I just wanted to like, as you were talking, Daniela was like, yeah, that's really cool that you use kind of one like the hands on to do that. Validate the hands off and I hadn't really looked at it that way.
But when. Like if I get home and Billy, who's my husband, for those of you who don't know, if he's like hurting or something, I do the LTAP and do like Coregeous ball stuff with him. Cause I'm tired, you know? So, and it really works. So I just, I thought that was really cool. Like an interesting observation that I don't think I have really put together.
It's like, Yeah, they validate each other, like, and so having that hands on experience or having the in person experience, I think, just makes it.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, I think it's what what's cool too and what that whole piece, then y'all are brought up reminds me of is like, you know, the whole part like the point. You know, of me creating the LTAP was to help me arrive at the same spot that my general listening and local listening did through the, you know, the, the evaluation that you learned through the Baral Institute.
And because it's so, like, leans into trusting what you feel in your hands. That's the biggest hurdle for people to get over to trusting that the body has something to tell them and like direct you. So it was like all these orthopedic sort of more solid ways to arrive at the same point. And I found through my repetition of it, like it always sort of like ended up coming to the same spot.
And, um, some of my, colleagues that I've learned the Barral Institute work through and or gone through courses with like when I've asked them to, you know, taught them the LTAP and asked them to, you know, do it too. They're like, yeah, it really does confirm. My general listening and confirm my local listening.
And so, um, for all of you for, I know some of you are, have started neural manipulation work with the Barral Institute. Some of you started Visceral. Some of you've done both. So it's like going to be really cool for you to have a tool to help you rapidly get used to being able to trust your hand with the, uh, general listening and the local listening.
So, yeah, love that. Alrighty, Cheryl or Megan, who wants to go next?
Meghan Teed: I'll go next. Um, I'm Megan Teed. I am a physical therapist. I'm Pilates instructor out of left in South Carolina, and I specialize in working with people who have scoliosis and I have scoliosis myself. So, um, I found Anna through. Her podcast, Instagram, and I was really attracted to learning from her because she was like, I can get results for my people in like three visits.
And I was like, how do you do that?
Anna Hartman: Like, get the fuck out.
Meghan Teed: How is that possible? So, um, I took the results sheet code and then I did the LTAP live and well, I did the LTAP online and then I did it live in Miami in 2022. Um, and then I did the mentorship last year and the mastermind in person in 23, 24, 24.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, we did the mentorship the mastermind in 2024. Yes, yes. And then to just, I forgot to say earlier, but for those of you listening on Facebook or the recording, um, when they say the results cheat code, it's basically what the missing link course has been. So in, in past rounds, it was called the results cheat code.
I switched it to be called the missing link. So just to clarify for people. So, okay. Continue Meghan.
Meghan Teed: Yeah. So, um, it's been really interesting for me because I work primarily with my people online. Um, I see probably like 90 percent of the people I work with in a virtual capacity, 10 percent in person. So the cool thing with going through all of this.
Actually like the hands off portion of things. Um, that was really powerful for me to experience in person in the mastermind, just working alongside other practitioners who are other Pilates, um, base practitioners, or even, um, personal trainers and kind of hearing how they've been working with things. And that's been helpful for me because.
You know, I am hands off working virtually with people. And, um, I, at the same time as I took Anna's mentorship, I was also taking Missy Bunch's mentorship. Um, so, uh, with the LTAP virtually, um, and with. Working with people who have scoliosis, I'm really trying to delineate, is this a visceral, um, neuro issue or is this like a lower extremity issue?
Like that's kind of how I'm separating things and parsing them out. And if it leads me more to a neuro thing, then I take people through the cranial nerve assessments that I've learned with Missy bunch. And that's been just, you know, Super cool to have like all of these tools to put together for people.
And, um, you know, people who have scoliosis, they tend to be very anxious and, uh, the treatments that they've gotten in the past are very forceful and aggressive. And even like what I've learned through like scoliosis specific work is. It's pretty aggressive. You're just trying to like force the body into a shape that it doesn't want to be in.
So, um, learning and having all these tools makes the body more receptive to change, um, because when you are putting it into a position of ease, um, you're in a parasympathetic state and then the change is much more easy, um, and the pain relief comes very quickly. So
Anna Hartman: I love that. Yeah. And I, so, um, I love that you use Miss, you know, the, the more of the functional neurology stuff from Missy for the central nervous system.
And so oftentimes when I share with people like how to treat the central nervous system, it's like, you can do manual therapy or you can do functional exercises. For the cranial nerves, basically, or for the different areas of the cortex or the cerebellum and that because there's always this relationship between the contents of the container and the container itself and, um, So it's really cool that you're using, and especially again, because you're so virtual, you, you can't like, even if you took cranial sacral or neural manipulation, like it would not be so helpful for you because most of your patients are virtual.
And so it's like having that ability to affect the contents of the container and, and make the function of the organ, the brain better than allows the container to not be in such a protective mode. And so It's really cool to know that that is how you utilize it because I think that is sometimes like, you know, a little bit of, especially in the virtual setting, um, or the hands off setting, you know, when we get to the central nervous system, people are like, I don't know what to do.
And I always tell people, I'm like the trigeminal nerve. Yeah, my general nerve. Um, that's like a big one. So it's like, start there. And if that doesn't work, there's some other options, but like, and that's, that's so related to the container. Um, but then having the other functional neurology things like the eye exercises and the cerebellar drills and things like that are such a, a great tool to have too.
So that's cool. Um, Nikki asked in the caption, she said, that is what I'm wondering about. I am in Marcus Schreier's, Shirer's Calhas right now. Um, and have done lots in biomechanics, red quarter Pilates and want to pull it all together. I don't know if you're like familiar with that type of training Meghan.
Meghan Teed: I'm not sure what you said. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: S. C. H. R. E. Y. E. R.
Marcus. I don't know how to say that last name. Schreier. Schreier. I don't know. I've not heard of them either, but it basically, it sounds like it's a lot of like, yeah, she's looking to integrate Pilates and red cord and biomechanics with this work too. Oh, he's like Missy Bunch, she said. Gotcha. Perfect.
Yeah. Yeah. That should work great then. And, um, Yeah, should work great. And also Meghan's your person to know on Instagram, maybe make friends. She's at the scolio therapist, right? Or just scolio therapist
Meghan Teed: um the scolio therapist.
Anna Hartman: So that's great. Um, how about, um, kind of the same question for you, Megan, is, um, where, is there any client, well, again, because scoliosis, when working with scoliosis patients, and I'm sure because I know you do like movement with them a lot too, um, you've probably had some clients, patients that have been with you for a while, so what have they noticed with integrating this, um, what have you noticed, like,
Meghan Teed: Yeah. Um, so I I've worked with people who like, they vary. I have people who are in their eighties and I've been working with them for like seven years. And, um, they're very active. That's why they want to invest in their health. And, um, But this one woman in particular, she is a golfer. She likes to kayak and her balance is like, Not great.
Um, and her pain levels are really high. And she's like, I don't know what this voodoo stuff that you've been doing with me, but like, it really helps. It really works. And she like teaches her husband some stuff too. Like she'll like teach them some eye exercises and like stuff with the coregeous ball. And, um, so, so that's been really cool to see how, like, it's been really powerful to change her life and.
Her pain levels and she's like teaching other people about it. So, um, that that's like pretty consistently across the board. Like people are like, I don't know what you're doing, but like, this is amazing. Like how. Yeah. How helpful it is. And like, you're just doing like these very simple things and I feel so much better.
So,
Anna Hartman: and now, now going back to like old Meghan at the beginning, do you believe me that you can guarantee results in one to three visits? Yes. I love it. So good. Well, thank you for sharing all that. I think it's so awesome how you do this work and virtual is a different beast. So. I mean, and in a, in a client population, like you work with too, it's like phenomenal.
So
Meghan Teed: it's been really powerful. So I highly recommend doing all the things that Anna teaches.
Anna Hartman: Thanks. Appreciate that. Um, Ms. Cheryl, you're, you're, you're up.
Cheryl Ferris: Okay, good. Uh, yeah. So Cheryl Ferris from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and I'm a massage therapist and athletic trainer.
And I found Anna, um, this goes back a while cause I did her mentorship in 2020. Um, but I wanted to do it when she first started the mentorship, which I think was 2019, right? Yeah, I think so.
Okay.
Cheryl Ferris: Yeah. Um, but I had too much going on at that time. Um, and I was a place where I was doing these fascial assessments, biotensegrity assessments, whatever you want to call them.
And I got to a point, I'm like, nothing is coming up on these tests. Like, and it kept leading me towards the core, you know, the head to the hips kind of a thing. And I'm like, Okay, I'm missing something. And then I had a friend who's also an athletic trainer said, Hey, there's this girl, check her out. And at that time I already had like this different lens of view on the body, which was biotensegrity, not biomechanics or orthopedics per se.
And I looked up Anna and I was like, wow, like. Like minded, like she's speaking my language. Like, I like this. Cool. So that's when I did the mentorship and then did all the other things. And like what Julie said, um, the LTAP was like mixed into our mentorship, but it was super, super helpful to be there in person during the masterminds to get that hands on, like little quirks and.
Um, details for the LTAP because that really like fine tuned what I was doing.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Cheryl Ferris: Um, so that was, that was awesome.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, you were in the mentorship group where my, the assessment piece was like a four page tiny, tiny writing Excel spreadsheet of like every single possible assessment test I would ever do on anybody.
I called it the movement map. And it was overwhelming. Shocker. Um, but, and you were in the mentorship group that I was like, I know I just threw like firehose you with information, but if the only thing you pay attention to is these like five tests, I didn't even think I had five then. I think it was only like three or four.
I was like these three or four locator tests. Like, I think that this, like, I'm pretty sure this is the thing that's shifting everything for people who actually do it. Yeah, yeah.
Cheryl Ferris: Yeah. And on a total side note, um, doing the mentorship, I learned so much about my body. Like, I'm so grateful I have those tools for the rest of my life for my own self care.
And then, On another side note, when we do the movement, like your regen session online, I love going back to that every once in a while, um, just like all your movement things. I'm so grateful because I have that for the rest of my life to go back on and use. Um, Yeah. But in terms of how I use it, it's very similar to Julie.
Um, if I have a massage client, it'll be like, Hey, before we get started, do you mind if I do these tests, see where we're going with things? So for example, like a lot of massage client or massage therapists will start the person face down to start with their back. Um, but I feel like one, if we want to increase the parent sympathetic state, I always start them face up and I start them on the head,
neck, face, et cetera, before I move on. Um, but if I did the, um, just the first, the SI joint test and it led me to the CNS and I confirmed it, then I'm like, okay, I know I'm spending a lot of time on the CNS, the head, what have you. Um, even from a Bowen work perspective. Um, if it led me to the CNS, I kind of changed the order of which I do things from a Bowen work perspective.
Um, so it's changed that practice too, uh, in a good way because I had a client just for example, um, there was a language barrier. And it was just so cool. I was so stoked after that client, like there's a language barrier and it doesn't matter. Her body and my hands told me where I needed to go and she was happy when she left and I was like, wow, that's so cool.
Yeah. So cool. Yeah. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: That is like, I had that experience too in Japan or yeah, in Japan, I had Korean and Japanese baseball players to work with and no translator. And I got the best results because I only could listen to their body. Like I only could like let their body guide me and man, they came or they found a translator and they came, pulled them over and to translate.
What is this, like, witch doctor? What? How did you know I had elbow like elbow pain or neck pain or whatever? And like, how did you fix it without me talking?
Cheryl Ferris: Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, it's, it's been, um, fabulous. And even when I get to the end of the session, I'll retest the SI. And a lot of times it's like equal on both sides.
They're both moving. I'm like secretly doing the yes, you know, walking behind them, leading them out. But, um, but yeah, the, um, other thing too, is I have a lot of lymphatic clients. And I feel like there's this really close relationship between the nervous system and the lymphatic system. So obviously the swelling reduction protocol has been fabulous, but I'll combine a lot of the neuro things that you have taught me with the lymphatic.
And um, that I think is just a beautiful combination. Um, because a lot of my clientele is, um, Dealing with a lot of things. They're not just solely orthopedic. They're, you know, whether it's edema or whether it's kind of autoimmune, but not like an official autoimmune diagnosis. Like there's just a lot of stuff that they're dealing with.
So having that neuro lymph combination is really awesome. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. Did I miss anything?
Anna Hartman: I don't think so. Oh, did you talk about what your problem? Oh, no. Yeah, you did because your problem was, um, actually I'm going to recap everybody's problems. I mean, your original problem, not your current problems.
I don't know that. Um, you were looking for more answers because the, um, The fascial testing that you did kept coming back to the center, but yet, like, you're like, what am I missing? There's gotta be something else. Yep.
Mm hmm. So, and then, um, yeah, so I think you answered everything, cause I, I said, the original problem which led you to find me, and like, start learning from me, um, and then, how you're using the LTAP in your practice.
Mm hmm. Um, Meghan was, faster results. You did it. It was a challenge that led you. You went to prove me wrong. I, I appreciate that. No, you were inspired by my, um, clear saying I could get results so fast. And probably in your head also was like, I think actually that is possible. And maybe I could, maybe there's more.
Um, and then Daniela was, um, yeah, you had taken a lot of different people's education in these other lenses of view than traditional biomechanics, but you weren't quite sure of how it all connected and then how it all connected back to the biomechanics and like movement in general. Awesome. Enjoy the Um, wanted to see how it's all connected from that standpoint, but then also from this autoimmune standpoint of working with the body, not on the body.
Yeah. And Julie was feeling burnt out and like ready to not be a massage therapist anymore, which I'm so glad you changed your mind because she's now my massage therapist. And I'm always like, do you have any openings? Do you have any openings? So. Um, going back to that burnout question, Julie, do you think now, like, part of the thing that makes you not feel burnt out anymore, at least this is how I felt when I started working from this lens of view, was because every single patient is just like, so different and like, you're constantly inspired by the body and how it's connected and how things change so quickly.
I can't, I, that's how I feel. I don't know how. You feel about that?
Julie Arriola: Yeah, I was actually thinking about this, um, yesterday, is I'm a lot less bored.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Julie Arriola: Like, I just feel like there's always something interesting to find. Yeah. And, It just makes me want to be better. It just makes me want to just get so good.
You know, like, I don't know. It's just like, I just want to, like, Yeah. If I get a descending colon, I want to just, like, work that descending colon. Let's go. You know, it makes me excited.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, that's cool. I love that. Um, one of the comments on Instagram or on Facebook was Nikki asked, have any of you had long term success with torn labrums or torn labrum pain on shoulders?
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, yeah, pretty much anybody who comes in with shoulder pain, they don't have shoulder pain anymore after a very few amount of sessions.
Julie Arriola: One of my first clients, can I share this? Yeah, LTAP on. Um, she had a Three, it was either a three or four year old, uh, post like surgery range of motion restriction on her labrum.
Now the surgery is on her labrum. Um, and she had full range of motion in the first session. And I think it was herbs point. If I remember, that was like the biggest thing within like the magical three sessions. She came in on the third session and was like, Just like showed me when she walked in,
it was lifted. It was like, she could fully.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, that's awesome.
Julie Arriola: So, and she's still, I see, I see her every once in a while. She is still maintained that, um, range of motion.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Yeah. And some of the, um, that's awesome. Some of the shoulder people I've worked with, you know, have either labral tears that haven't been repaired from like dislocations and like, you know, are doing all the things and not feeling like make much progress.
And then I work with them and they're like, Oh, yeah. Why was this so easy? And I was like, yeah, cause it's not from the shoulder. That's the whole, the whole reason I created that course. Right. Never treat the shoulder first was like. Because in the key to making a happy shoulder, regardless of what kind of pathology it is, is usually somewhere else.
Yeah. Cool. Well, that looks like, um, all the comments, at least from the live people. Um, is there anything any of you want to share with me or the people that are in the missing link this week? Trying to sort of, like, decide if they want to join the LTAP or, um, either the LTLTAPnline or in person or both?
Cheryl Ferris: I just want to say that I like the fact that you have the SI joint test and you have the March test because I think the fact that you have those two tests, it encompasses a lot of people given their different, um, levels of mobility and life. Um, I have. older clients that can't lay flat on the table, therefore doing the March test, that's my go to versus, you know, having someone lie on the table.
So I love the fact that, and then getting to the movement piece, like, um, what Daniela was talking about, um, you know, just having that March test be another version of the SI joint test. I just think it gives you so much flexibility regardless of who you're working with.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that is nice. And even in the live In the in person LTAP course, I know that, you know, some of the, some of the participants sometimes have even tried other SI joint tests that they, SI joint mobility tests that they like to use with the same principles that we use in the LTAP, and it's been great.
Like Beth uses gait and Dom, um, who's an athletic therapist, um, she uses, um, Like a side bending shear type thing. Um, so yeah, it's, it's really cool to have many options. So, and then the whole thing I always tell people too, is like, all of these tools are teaching us principles. And when you understand the principles, you get to play around with it and make up stuff.
So. I love that. All right. Well, also, um, remember these faces because these are all people who are TAs for me. So, um, you might see them on an in person course. Daniela is going to be in Durham. Julie will be in, uh, San Diego. Um, I haven't talked to Cheryl and Megan on their next locations, but, uh, yeah. They were with me in Washington, D.C. this last year, so, um, Alright, well, thank you. I appreciate you guys taking the time out of your Sunday to chat with me and the group and, um, forever grateful for you trusting me and integrating this with your clients and patients and family and, yeah.