The Anatomy Advantage
This week’s episode of the Unreal Results podcast comes on the heels of attending Gil Hedley’s Nerve Tour. You know I’m a BIG proponent of always learning, especially anatomy because I truly believe anatomy and physiology are the foundations of understanding the human body. And when you know anatomy, you’ll be better at manual therapy, assessing movement, and educating the client. You’ll hear more in this episode of why I think continuous anatomy learning can improve treatment outcomes, the value of cadaver labs, relationships between tissues, and how varying anatomy perspectives can enrich a health and fitness professional’s knowledge.
Resources Mentioned In This Episode
Episode 1: My Mom's Cancer Diagnosis Changed My Whole Approach To Sports Healthcare
Episode 43: Becoming The Best At What You Do
Episode 56: My Favorite Books For Sports Healthcare Providers
Gil Hedley's Website
Gil Hedley's Nerve Tour
Barral Institute courses (be sure to mention I referred you to your first course!)
Get Functional Atlas of the Human Fascial System by Carla Stecco *
Get Architecture of Human Living Basic by Jean-Cladue Guimberteau*
Learn the LTAP™ In-Person in one of my upcoming courses
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Anna Hartman: Hey there, and welcome. I'm Anna Hartman, and this is Unreal Results, a podcast where I help you get better outcomes and gain the confidence that you can help anyone, even the most complex cases. Join me as I teach about the influence of the visceral organs and the nervous system on movement, pain, and injuries, all while shifting the paradigm of what whole body assessment and treatment really looks like.
I'm glad you're here. Let's dive in.
Hello, hello, and welcome to another episode of the Unreal Results podcast. I am on recording the podcast late. It is like quarter to 9 p. m. And, uh, I just had a long day. I woke up, well, this morning when I woke up, I started working on my computer. Pretty much right out of the gate. It's when my eyes feel the best to work on the screen because it's when they're the most hydrated.
They're not so, like, dried out from Functioning all day, and so I took advantage of that and then, um, around noon I headed down over to, um, like east of San Diego, a town called El Cajon, uh, where Gil Headley was having his Nerve Tour, um, presentation, so, um, and I spent the rest of the day there watching his presentation, and it was, um, Like a five and a half hour event, uh, which was a long time to be.
In an event like that. And I wasn't sure even how I would tolerate it. Um, cause it was in like a semi dark room with like fluorescent lighting. And then also like looking at a screen cause, you know, cause it was, um, the nerve to where like it's recorded. Obviously he's not bringing like the anatomy. So I wasn't sure if I would even last the whole five and a half, five and a half hours from a vision standpoint.
Um, I did like, I went through, I think eight vials of, um, artificial tears. I just really tried to keep my eyes as hydrated as possible. And I was actually pretty comfortable, um, for the most part. And, um, Yeah, and so I was like, oh, Monday's usually when I record the podcast and tomorrow I have a busy day and so I was like, you know what, I might as well just record tonight because also, it's like, fresh in my head and of course, whether I had a topic planned for today or not, like, I know I was going to get distracted by, um, I don't even want to say distracted, I know I was going to get influenced by the talk and so I wanted to sort of um, share about my experience and share my thoughts and recently too like because I mean if if you've done Well, if you've been listening to the podcast or if you've done any Of my online courses or in person courses or really just like been with me for a while on instagram I've seen me teach, you know, I am a big, big, big anatomy person.
I love anatomy. I loved learning anatomy in school. I love learning anatomy. And, um, I resonate with pretty much any course that includes really solid anatomy. Cause to me practicing, you know, I hate the term evidence based, but to me, the most fundamental piece of evidence out there. is the anatomy, is the physiology.
And so the better you can understand the anatomy, the better you're going to Be of service to your clients, um, the better you are going to be with your hands, the better you're going to be with your eyes and instructing movement because you just have a better awareness. And I've talked about this on episodes before, but.
Knowing the anatomy and learning the anatomy shouldn't just stop at the practitioner. It is the practitioner's job to educate the client, educate the patient, the athlete, whoever you work with about their anatomy. To understand your anatomy is to understand yourself. And fundamentally, when we are learning that the person, the body, is the wisest thing in the room, the better we can understand our parts and how we're all interconnected.
How, not we're all, but we are interconnected. How everything is interconnected in our body, the more informed we are, and the better outcomes we will have. The better we will be able to communicate what we're feeling to a practitioner, to a doctor, um, and the better we will be at picking an intervention.
And so I am a huge proponent of everyone learning the anatomy, not just the practitioner. So, um,
going to Gil's course, um, was, of course, um, Partly because I wanted to see all the parts of the nervous system. Um, he was marketing it. It was being marketed by the Barral Institute as like, Oh, you can't miss this sort of thing, which I appreciate. Um, I am, I learned at the, at the new nerve trailer today. Um, the Barral Institute was a, Um, Gil and the Barral and Upledger Institute was a partner, like a platinum partner, like that helped support financially the Nerve project, or the tour of the Nerve project.
As well as in the future, um, Gil and the Barral Institute are collaborating and Gil is providing videos. Um, pictures of anatomy to support the core classes from the Barral Institute, like the visceral manipulation courses and the neural manipulation courses, which I think is fabulous. Um, really fabulous because what I've learned over the years of attending continuing education courses, including the Barral courses, and teaching continuing education courses, is that Overarchingly, the lack of anatomy knowledge among providers in all professions is very prevalent.
And I'm not sure, I'm not sure of this, why this is. I'm not sure if it's because there's a lack of emphasis on it in school nowadays. Not everyone has access to a cadaver lab, more than likely. And also, people stop learning the anatomy after they're done with school, which is the number one biggest mistake.
When I'm at these things, and, and, so tonight included, this anatomy talk, um, I'd say, The new information. Not that I write all new information down, but for the most part new information I have like two small notebook pages of notes from the six hours. So that's not very much. To me, that's not a whole lot of new information.
It wasn't a whole lot of new information. Um, I, I appreciate hearing Gil's perspective. So if you've never learned from Gil, he's a very, so his background, he went to school, he's like an ethics major. So he went to school doing like, you know, more, liberal arts, like, um, philosophy, writing, like, like studying ethics, and like, just not science background.
Um, but he's worked in an anatomy lab now for like 30 years, and so this is now his life's work. But when you're learning from him, what I, what I appreciate from him is he always relates it back to Integral anatomy, um, so comparative anatomy to things in nature, which is nice. It's especially nice in learning and providing imagery to make it stick in your head a little bit more.
Um, as well as like, seeing our humanness with nature, which is pretty cool. And then two, he always breaks it down, being, being, um, being in the, in his head. education background that he did, he often breaks it down to the Latin, the Greek words from back in the day of how they named anatomy to make it make sense to, which is really cool to have it presented in that way.
Because I'd say in general, you only really get it presented that way of like you're reading about the anatomy, not necessarily in a typical anatomy course or in a typical. Manual therapy or exercise course that's talking about the anatomy. So I really like that perspective. Um, and then the other wonderful thing that he does is he, um, he really is an explorer of the body because of the connection to the human being that is the anatomy with an emphasis on the anatomy that we learn in books
is taught to us in absolutes. And the anatomy that is actually the truth is very relative to the body in front of you and has so many different variations that we might not have ever considered. And that is like what makes us so uniquely us, like one in 39 billion. Right. So I love that piece of it. And then also, um, He always honors the cadaver really well.
And not, like, honoring the cadaver as, like, the cadaver, but honoring the person who donated their body to science and tells the story of the person as he's telling the story of their anatomy, which is very touching and, um, gives you a lot of gratitude for what that person's body is teaching us. And I really connect with that, obviously, too, because, you know, that is sort of my, like, personal Why, to what I do, is taking the lessons that my mom's body taught me through her cancer diagnosis and through her journey fighting cancer and dying from cancer.
The things that her body taught me are the things that I pull through my work and continue to teach all of you. And, it's, so I, that similarity to me is like very touching. I'd say my favorite part of this nerve tour actually was the stories of the people and honoring them and learning about them and getting to know their family was, was very special.
And I remember wondering those things about the cadavers that I worked with in undergrad and grad school and we didn't have that much information about them. And so I'm like, well, you know, that's a really cool thing to have. So, um. So yeah, any learning of anatomy with Gil is very unique. Very unique. And, you know, he, I, I've known of him for a long time.
I don't know him, but I've known of him for a long time. Um, and I was first intro I mean, man, I was first introduced to him, like, very early in my career. Uh, from my friend and colleague, Jeremy Hassler. Um, when we were exploring some of the Jean Claude Gembertot, um, Strolling Under the Skin videos. It was around the time where Gil, maybe it was like right before the time when Gil came out with this whole series called The Fuzz and it was all about the fascia.
And that was at the beginnings of me, like, diving down the fascial rabbit hole. So I've been Exposed to his work here and there for pretty much my whole career. And then I've seen him speak quite a bit at the Facial Research Congresses. And then also, um, the Pilates world for a while was very intertwined with him too.
Uh, partly because of this, like, facial piece and then partly because of the people. Who were connected to him in the Pilates world. So anyways, I've been learning from him a long, long time. Um, and it, like I said, it's very different. So he has, so some people, one of my colleagues asked me today, she messaged me, she's like, how was it?
Was it amazing? I'm like, well, it was really good. There was amazing parts to it. I was like, but, And there's some parts that were like, eh. And so, um, but that's also very specific to me. And that's the whole point of this conversation is these kinds of events make me very grateful for my background in anatomy and for my continued drive to learn the anatomy, which is hammered even more through the classes I take.
And then also how I teach and I will say full disclaimer, I could teach an anatomy probably even better. But it would make a lot of courses that I put out there even longer. So I sort of push the onus back onto the practitioner to like spend the time diving into anatomy, um, which I do as well on a like literal daily basis.
And I say this on a lot of the podcast episodes, there is not a day that goes by that I'm not looking up the anatomy and physiology of something like every day. And
that adds to my like knowledge that adds to my knowledge so much that when I go to a six hour lecture on the nerves, not a whole lot of it was new information, which is so amazing. And I feel very lucky to have had those experiences with cadavers through school, and then after school. And so, um, I just wanted to reiterate on this episode how important it is to revisit the anatomy on a daily basis and also to take courses that immerse yourself in anatomy and whether that is signing up for like guild stuff and doing it online or finding an actual in person anatomy lab to go to like do it it's worth it especially if you've never been in anatomy lab at all in undergrad I had a great anatomy teacher, we spent a lot of time in the lab, and then, and then, I was a lab assistant for many years of undergrad.
Then when I got to grad school, same thing, I had a phenomenal anatomy teacher, one of the best anatomy teachers there is, shout out Sue Hillman, and then I was a lab assistant for her. I worked in the lab as part of like, like, my work study job, and then I worked in the anatomy lab at my grad school, teaching the local massage school students.
Um, then when I graduated from grad school, me and my colleague Sue Falsone, um, colleague slash mentor at Athletes Performance Exos, we asked Sue to, Hillman, to allow us back in the lab, and we recorded the entire anatomy like lab exploration for the entire staff of Athletes Performance Exos at the time.
It was the coolest thing and was very well received by so many of the coaches and therapists at Athletes Performance Exos because a lot of them never had been in a lab before. So I share this all to tell you that it's like, you know, my study of the anatomy was very deep. At the beginning of my career and then in every course I've taken there's been a big anatomy piece Especially in the Barral Institute their courses arguably could just be called anatomy courses at the time especially I'd say like, you know, it kind of depends.
Some of the advanced courses, we do a lot more techniques, but as you're learning it, like man, there's a couple of courses there that feel like 50 50 learning the anatomy learning techniques. So there's that. And then, like I said, daily basis, I am diving into anatomy. And so one of the questions I often get from people is.
What are your favorite anatomy books? I actually don't have a favorite anatomy book. Many books that I have have pieces of anatomy in there that I've taught, learned something with. So I have a, four books here on my desk that are like true anatomy books that I'll share with you. But also know that they're not my go to's.
They're not my go to's. There are references, they're nice to have on my bookshelf. I like to flip through pictures. Sometimes when I really have a question, I go to them, but then what I ultimately do is go to the computer, or my phone, and look up the anatomy there, because then I'm exposed to a bunch of different pictures of it, which is really good.
One of the things Gil said tonight was he said,
I'm gonna have to pause it, because I have it written down in my notes, and they're in the other room, please hold. Alright, so the thing that he said that I thought was so cool was he said, Human anatomy is additive, not average. And what we see in anatomy books, anatomy pictures, images, illustrations, especially illustrations, is a very average approach to human anatomy, meaning you're taking like variations of what the anatomy is in the cadavers, and you're trying to represent all of those by making an average of them.
And that's just not how humans are. We're very unique. And he was also sharing how the art, the images within the books are very Euclidean. Geometry, meaning like, we see a lot of, we see a lot of symmetry in these books and human anatomy is more fractile in nature. It's not so symmetrical because we're not so symmetrical.
it is where it needs to be for various different purposes. And so, you don't, don't get to appreciate that in a lot of the books, unless they're images of cadavers. But even then, they tend to pick the images of the cadavers that fit the average. And so, that's a little bit of the value of spending time in the lab, so you can kind of see like all the different variations of things.
So, Um, that was really cool. I really enjoyed that. And this is also too why I lean into the internet so much is because I feel like if, even though I know the images are often these averages and often these like more perfect symmetrical things, I can get a better idea of variation from a bunch of different pictures versus just relying on one book.
So, this is why I always encourage you to, if you have a piece in anatomy you want to look at, like, doing a, even if you have a book for it, read it in the book, read it in multiple books that you might have. Then go and Google the image and then look through like the first 50 images that come up and like see how different they are.
And then if any of those anatomy image are associated with a good anatomy website or with a even better a journal article about the anatomy, like read, read the anatomy. Some of the best anatomy knowledge I've gained has actually been written. Not a picture of it. I can create a picture in my mind based on what is written is the anatomy it relates to, right?
The bony landmarks it relates to, the muscles it relates to, you know, the fascial containers it relates to. But I learn a lot more actually sometimes from the written things than I do from the pictures. So don't be afraid to read about anatomy. In fact, today, one of the things that came up is he was talking about how he was looking for this evidence of the vagus nerve innervating the diaphragm.
And I'm like, how was that even a question? Like, yeah, I've read that. But also it's not about being right. Number one, it's not me being like, I read that. So it's right. But again, going back to, it depends on the cadaver. It depends on the anatomist interpretation. And, you know, What resource you're using some resources says no some resources do I happen to read a resource like years ago that said it did And so I have like even so last week's episode was on the diaphragm and before I filmed that episode I was looking through some of my old videos and I filmed the video and like Almost 10 years ago that I was like, oh, the diaphragm is innervated by the vagus nerve and the phrenic nerve as well as all these sensory nerves.
And so, it's just, again, like, even, even Gil was saying this as he Dissects. Sometimes those prior bias of knowledge influences his dissection and when he doesn't know to look for it, sometimes he doesn't see it. And so you have to always appreciate that all of this knowledge that we're being brought to us is sometimes like has that bias lens of you in front of it.
Um. Which too, so when we looked at the diaphragm, when we looked around and we looked at the nerves with the diaphragm, he showed us the phrenic nerve. He showed us the vagus nerve. He didn't show us the spinal nerves that innervated it. And there's a lot of them that do, right? And part of it is like, again, we only had six hours and he was trying to show us the whole nervous system, but it just goes to show you that it wasn't mentioned.
He didn't show it. I wonder if he even dissected it. I wonder if he considered it. I don't know. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And this is the cool thing too about the the years of work that I've been learning through the Barral Institute is the ability to trust my hands and what I'm feeling. Often I feel the anatomy first and then I'm like, man, that really feels like this or that kind of structure.
And then I go to the images to be like, what could this be? Knowing that everyone's anatomy has a little bit different variations to it. And so, um, and also like trusting my hand and trusting the qualities that I feel in my hand.
You know, is, is even emphasized even more. Um, a lot of the takeaways, a lot of the things that I did find really interesting in his talk actually were at the very beginning, like literally the first hour and a half of the talk, um, about the brain and some of the cranial nerves, I really liked that. And I will say that like of all the anatomy that was presented.
That's probably like, my weakest area in like, spending time dissecting, spending time really looking at and seeing the connections, and I think, even if I had seen it back then, I, I have just newly within the last five to ten years really appreciated it because I can feel it now from a manual therapy standpoint and I teach about it a lot more and so I'm always like looking at these connections the head and neck and so um, I think that really helped emphasize some things for me.
There Um, but there's a couple other quotes that I wanted to share with you that I wrote down.
Um, this one was, he was talking about the peripheral nerves, specifically like the cutaneous nerves and some of the lung peripheral nerves in the limbs, and one of the things he said was It's, you know, he continued to reiterate that sometimes when we see pictures of the nerves or we see the nerves in a cadaver, they've been so dissected down that they just look like, you know, like spaghetti noodles laying there.
And that's just not how they are in real life. They're very invested within the tissues that they're moving through and within. And so that's what he says. So the nerves are only in relationship to other tissues. The nerves are only in relationship to other tissues, meaning they are always intimately connected to the rest of the tissues.
And then the question is then, what is the quality of that relationship? And this is what we, from a manual therapy standpoint and from a pathology standpoint, especially in the limbs, but really in everywhere in the trunk and the head, this is what we're always sort of treating or investigating is this quality of the relationship of the nerves to the tissue.
The nerves and the tissue are always in relationship. It's a matter of how they are complimenting each other, or restricting each other. And so, often we're restoring the relationship in those tissues to improve the quality of that relationship, not necessarily to separate them. I think sometimes when we think of entrapments, we're thinking of like, separating them and making space, and I am like, guilty of like, explaining it like that, but at the same time, like, there's We are at one container that you don't just like, you can't like just make more space.
Every space within us is like something is there on purpose and has to have a relationship with each other. And so it's about improving those qualities of relationships, not necessarily quote unquote making space. So I think that's a really important thing to think about. And actually, probably the book.
The two books that, that like demonstrate that the best are going to be Carla Stecco's Functional Anatomy of the Human Fascial System and my guy, one of my favorites, uh, The Architecture of Human Living Fascia by Jean Claude Guimberteau. So, those are two books that's going to definitely show you. nerve to tissue relationships, more than anything.
Whereas, you know, these other books, like your classics, the Netter, Atlas of Neuroscience, and then just the regular old Netter, this is gonna give us more of those absolutes that are just not true. And then, especially, even though the Netter is such a great classic anatomy book, it's illustrations. Most of the time.
I think, all right, are some of these, yeah, they're all illustrations, I believe. And illustrations are, can be helpful, but they are definitely not the truth. I had this, um, anatomy book in college. Not this one. A different one. And it was great, because it'd show us an illustration, but then it'd show us a cadaver picture, too.
And I don't know what ever happened to that book. Yeah, I really don't know what happened to it.
It could have been a book that was kind of lost when my house burned down in college. Or, It was, like, taken from, I don't know. work. I don't know. I can't remember, but it was a really great anatomy atlas. I wish I could remember the author of it. Um, so, I'll also, well, just since we're on the resource topic, and I've linked to these before, but my, two of my favorite online resources for things are Kenhub and
nysora especially for the nerves, um, Kenhub for sort of everything else. Again, though, a lot of illustrations. The wonderful thing about a Google search of anatomy images is you do get quite a bit of cadaver pictures, which I appreciate, um, and then resources like Gill is gonna be great for that kind of thing, too.
Um, yeah, so many online resources, which is really great. So, the other thing I wanted to share, two things. One of my favorite quotes from Jean Pierre that really emphasizes this constant study of anatomy too, and like why it's so important in, in becoming the best practitioner you can. He says, if you don't open the book of anatomy, it's like you have no finger.
If you don't open the book of anatomy, it's like you have no finger. How can you expect to feel what you need to feel in someone's body if you don't know what's there. How can you expect to feel what's there or the qualities of what's potentially there if you don't understand the anatomy and the different qualities of the anatomy in the body?
This is when the cadaver lab is like such a good resource because like you can feel the qualities a little bit better or you can imagine what the qualities would have felt like in living tissue. This is also like if you can get in surgeries with doctors or see surgeries online, seeing it in vivo in a live patient.
It gives you such an appreciation for the qualities that you should be feeling in your hands. Um, so and the last quote I'll give to you is another one from Gil. There was a third one, he didn't say tonight, but He said on a call that I, I listened to him and I, I made a post out of it. Maybe I can find it, but, uh, what he said tonight, which was really wonderful.
He said, hold your good practices dearly in the stories you tell them or the stories you tell about them very lightly. He was just emphasizing is how we learn more and more about the anatomy. And as you learn more about the anatomy, the ways you might have described what you're doing and how it works in the body might become not true.
And there's a moment when you realize that you've been believing something that wasn't true that you, makes you feel like. I don't even know what the right word is. I'm not a fraud, but it makes you be like, do I even know anything? And you have to, like, really lean in and remember all the people that you have helped.
And all the people that you will continue to help. In the future. And, and know that, Wherever you were touching, wherever you were focusing your movement or in the exercise or whatever, under whatever theory you thought you were doing, still made a difference for the patient. So there is still some sort of relational connection between things, right?
And to keep doing that, but be flexible with and be wary of the stories you're telling your patients about their anatomy. And about the anatomy of their body and how it relates to manual therapy. Because Oftentimes, we're telling them things that are not true. And I've talked about this on podcasts before.
When we tell things to people, especially in the roles of the healthcare expert, like a lot of our professions are seen as, the patient holds on to that story. And you might be able to let go of the story easier than they can. And so my whole thing, and when I, when you take one of my LTAP courses, like we spend a lot of time talking about this, but like not getting caught up in their story and then also not feeding them more stories about their body, but just teaching them how to be curious and how to appreciate the interconnectedness of all of it.
So, anyways, kind of more of a general opinion, maybe, podcast episode today, but I really, I talk about it a lot. I talk about anatomy a lot in everything, the podcasts. the socials, the courses. And I just realized that it needs its own podcast. Like it needs its own podcast of emphasizing the importances, the importance of taking the time in your day to learn the anatomy.
And I challenge you to, if you're like, Anna, I don't know where to start. I challenge you one patient a day. It doesn't matter if it's a patient that you think you know the anatomy really well. Like let's say you're working on someone and you're working on their knee. I want you to go and read a couple articles about the anatomy of the knee and then pick a certain structure.
Like maybe you go, what nerves innervate the knee? Where do those nerves come from? Like you keep taking it back a step, right? Like, or even like, take it even more minute. Their lateral meniscus. Look at all the connections of the lateral meniscus to the hamstrings, to the arcuate ligament of the fibula, to the nerves, to the joint capsule, to the, um, tibial nerve, right?
Like there's so many connections just within the the lateral meniscus, like spend a day learning about the lateral meniscus and its relational anatomy. That's what makes you better. It doesn't mean that you don't understand the meniscus in, in the, in the role of like, um, treatment standpoint, you might've had a great treatment session with the athlete, but understand that there's always going to be more to learn.
And the more you can inform your anatomy, then the next time you're going to. Approach that maybe a tiny bit differently and maybe Have a little bit better efficiency with it. And that's a lot of the podcast is a lot of the podcasts that I do Provide you on those different body parts are like let's look at that anatomy and all these different relational connections and so That's how it comes together is you Even in the anatomy you think you know really well, you ask a question about it to yourself and you go find the answer in the anatomy, in the pictures, in the writing of the anatomy, all of it.
And maybe it's a review like today. I knew that I would probably go to his thing today and a lot of it would be Um, review for me. But there was some little pieces that weren't. And so today, the six hours I spent listening, was not a loss. Like, it was like, okay, I got a few gems from that. And like, a few little things that I'm going to be like, like, writing down, like, specifically for me, I'm going to like, look into a little bit more about the trochlear nerve.
It, it, there, It interdigitates at the projections around the tentorium. That's really fascinating to me because now I'm going to be looking at trochlear nerve function as a motor output for when I'm treating tentorium. But I also want to read more about that connection to inform my hands and to form my brain of like how could this be connected?
How would a patient present when that is an issue, right? So, um,
the practice of always asking questions, even about the stuff you feel like you already know, is what makes you better. And also what makes you independently study. I think there's really a lot of value to exploring some of these questions on your own and not having to take a course for it, right? like going to the literature, going to the books, like trying to figure it out for your own.
Then when you finally go to a course, you're like, Oh yeah, look at that. I found that on my own and now somebody else is affirming it for me. And to me, like, I love that feeling, like love that feeling. Maybe that's not how you work, but I encourage you to try it a little bit and just see what it brings to your practice.
Um, I don't have the bandwidth to look for that third quote from Gil, especially since it wasn't tonight. I've shared it at one point. If I can find it and link it in the show notes, I will. But also, you're fine without it. You get the point. I like quotes about anatomy. About the how the anatomy, why the anatomy is important, why studying the anatomy is important, why it needs to be an integral part of what you do.
So thank you for listening to me ramble on for 40 minutes. I did not intend on this going for that long. I can, I look forward to continue to share some of the aha movement moments from today's nerve project. nerve tour, uh, to you in future episodes. Um, but you know me, I like to dive in more, learn a little bit more, and then see how I can integrate it into my work, assimilate it into my work, and provide something a little bit more tangible and practical versus like, here was my aha things.
So with that said, we'll see you next week for another episode. Have a great week.